Matt Kahn Interview:

Whatever Arises, Love That

In this Banyen interview Matt Kahn, spiritual teacher, empathic healer, and bestselling author of Whatever Arises, Love That, illuminates essential questions of the spiritual life: how to love whatever arises, listening to our inner versus outer spiritual guides, the old and new spiritual paradigms, the relationship between love and sexual energy, and more.

Banyen: Can you tell us a little bit about your own story. How you came to your Realization and teaching work?

Matt Kahn: That's a great question. I have always had experiences throughout my life from a very early age with angels and ascended masters, and always having deeply profound spiritual experiences. And throughout my life from this very early age, I always felt an inner calling that I was here to not only see my life as like a spiritual training ground, but that the training that I was going through would eventually help me to assist others. And so from all these really deep spiritual experiences not only did I become aware of the deeper mysteries of the universe, but at a certain part of my life I realized that whether someone wants to heal, transform, or awaken any part of their life, that it can only be done so when allowing love to lead the way. So not only did I realize a deeper spiritual perspective of life, I realize that it only truly opens up within us when we allow love to be our guide.

Banyen: On the path of loving one's own heart, as one advances, what is the most profound experience to be realized? Where is it all leading?

Matt Kahn: By loving our hearts we reunite with the universe to remember who we truly are as the universe in form. So as we love our hearts allowing our body to be a safe place for our soul to reside, as we allow all concerns and worries and fears to truly melt away in love's presence, we start to realize that even though we are experiencing ourselves as human beings in physical form, that who we really are is really the absolute reality of light. And it is a light that when it notices itself in others, transmits the vibration of love to uplift the world around us. So it's not just realizing who we are as the universe, but literally stepping into that reality so that all the light within us can literally materialize for the well-being of all. And of course only love can do that.

Banyen: Can you comment on the value of having a direct teacher in human form versus accessing the inner teacher, or being self-directed in one's evolution?

Matt Kahn
: I would think that a physical teacher is one that is simply directing someone to their inner teacher. That some people are able to be aware of their inner teacher and can have a journey where that inner teacher guides them through every step of their evolution. At some stages, having an external or a physical teachers, just is a more concrete way to bring about more of that inner teacher. So really what someone needs to really be in tune with that inner teaching is really unique for their journey, and the role of the physical teacher is just to guide one back to that inner well-spring of wisdom, and to reunite with that inner teacher and to really know that the true guide, the true teacher, is always within us. And sometimes that wisdom comes from within, and sometimes it masquerades as someone outside of us. But all with the purpose of guiding each and every one of us back to our own infinite well-spring of inner wisdom.

Banyen: You've spoken about a new 'spiritual paradigm'. Can you describe this new paradigm, and how it fits with the ancient spiritual and mystical paths and traditions like the Yogic path or Buddhist path? What aspects of the old paradigm do you feel are still relevant and helpful and what aspects can be dropped?

Matt Kahn: I think what's helpful about the old spiritual paradigm is the destination, the goal, the trajectory. The old spiritual paradigm talks about reuniting with source, becoming one with all that is, remembering who we really are. And I think that the goal is absolutely still essential and vital, and I actually think that in this new spiritual paradigm those goals are more tangible for each person than they've ever been before in the history of earth. What I think the difference is, is while the goal is still the same - realizing your true nature, awakening Christ Consciousness -  I think what's different is the approach. In the old spiritual paradigm it was about What do I need to rid of myself? What do I need to get rid of? What do I need to clear out? in order to become that goal. Whereas in the new spiritual paradigm, instead of being about getting rid of things, and clearing things out, its really more about how can I embrace, welcome, and how can I meet everything within me, even with things I wish weren't there, and I how can I change my relationship with it? So that as I learn to allow these things within me that may not be comfortable to help make me unconditionally loving, as I change the way I approach everything within me, as I allow myself to become more loving and heart centered no matter the circumstances that come my way, we find that in becoming more of a loving being, and cultivating love as an essential spiritual practice in this spiritual paradigm, all of those goals of realizing your true nature, healing yourself, accessing divine consciousness, awakening your intuition - all of these goals really become quite tangible and real. So really it's about taking the most heart-centered and loving approach towards our egos, towards our personalities, and towards all the characters in our lives. And only when we let love to lead the way, do all those spiritual goals become our true everyday reality.

Banyen: It seems that in focusing on the belief, "I'm unconscious and broken and need to be healed," we may just keep finding more evidence that that is the case. And if we instead we focus on expanding love, freedom, joy and service, we find evidence that this is in fact the case. Can you expand on the idea that we no longer need to focus on endlessly clearing out old energies and pain and can instead focus on bringing forth our highest qualities? And are you saying that we should just be focused on how we want to feel and how we want to be expressing in the world?

Matt Kahn
: I would say that whatever we do repetitively in our lives on an subconscious level we manifest realities put us in a vacuum where things come about to keep us motivated to do the same things. So for example, if we spend time clearing and clearing and clearing, it is very natural on a subconscious level to call towards us realities or awarenesses, or symptoms that just give us more things to look for and to clear, and to be on the look out for. So the main question in the new spiritual paradigm is do people want to spend all of eternity clearing and clearing and clearing - and of course the answer is no. People are only clearing as they want to get to a certain destination. And so if one would rather spend all of eternity finding more things to love instead of more things to clear, then all the things we used to try to clear must become the things that we nourish and fuse with love. And when we do that, we actually find ourselves becoming symptom free, fully embodied, integrated spiritual beings, because we've simply decided "I want to spend my reality finding more things to love instead of more things to clear", so I just give my attention to those things that give me the experience that I would rather have. When we are constantly looking for things to clear and fix, it creates an internal emotional state where we really don't feel very good about ourselves. And if we could just focus on the things we do right, loving ourselves more often, and just doing the best we can, and really slowing down our spiritual path. And really embracing a more emotional heart-centered way, we're going to wind up feeling better about ourselves. And the better we feel about ourselves, the more reality tends to transform in a more profound way.

And to answer your earlier question, I wouldn't say it's a matter of trying to feel the way we don't. But instead loving the one who is feeling the way they wish they weren't feeling. So we're not trying to pretend to feel the way we're not feeling, and we're certainly not fighting against the things that we think are in the way, of feeling limited, and all the ways we tend to feel. So we're not clearing clearing clearing, and we're not pretending to feel the way we don't. We are simply being honest with ourselves and saying, "Whether I am feeling the way I want to our not, whether I wish life were different from it is, may I be the one who loves myself more, cause I right now truly deserve more supporting companionship during a time like this." So this is where we  really truly become our own source of loving and attention. 

Banyen: I haven't heard you comment much on the role of sexual energy in evolution. How do you see this fitting with the teachings you bring forth?

Matt Kahn: I think its very interesting to separate the difference between sexual energies and unconditional love. Its very common in our society to express love in a sexual way, which I have great respect and honour for. Sexual energy certainly plays a part in our lives. But I think one of the very interesting imbalances is that as soon someone feels love, and love is the recognition of our divinity being reflected to us by the divinity of another, as soon as we have that moment of divinity, it tends to trigger the sexual organs or the lower chakras, and it tends to give this message to our minds that say "here's how I have to act this out with this person". And what I think is so beautiful and fulfilling about a heart-centered spiritual journey is that one is able to become so mature and grounded in their mastery, that we can actually notice the light of divinity in others, we can allow others to reflect the light of our own divinity back to us, and we can actually have such a deep admiration and even attraction to another expression of divinity, and it doesn't immediately have to result in any kind of sexual expression. So I think that it's absolutely essential that every human balance their sexual energy, and its certainly wonderful to express that part of ourselves when we're in a very safe, sacred, committed relationship. I just think that sometimes the sexual energy becomes a more powerful gift to share with another when it's just not the first thing we act upon, or the first place we go. So I think as we learn to really love ourselves we have more respect for ourselves, we certainly have more respect for our sexual energy because our sexual energy is a potent transformer that literally can awaken kundalini energy, can transform people energetically. and we always want to make sure that when we are in a position to do that, that we are always being the most responsible and honourable with the energy that we can give them.

Banyen: At this point, how do you see your teaching work evolving? What lies ahead?

Matt Kahn
: I see my work evolving as love as the central theme, and not just speaking about love, but teaching humanity how to love oneself, how to love through our communication, how to love through our actions, how to love through our choices. So the focus in my teaching is love as the central foundation or building block of spiritual evolution, and then from that foundation from unconditional love, allowing the purity of self-realization, direct recognition of our true divine self, and the full embodied mastery of our absolute potential to be fully realized in the most sincere, honest, and loving way for the well-being of all.

Matt Kahn is a spiritual teacher, empathic healer, and bestselling author of Whatever Arises, Love That. Visit Matt Kahn & Julie Dittmar's website at 

Interview © October 3, 2016 Banyen Books & Sound